【A.I. FOREVER】在Youtube看到的一篇很長的comment,寫得非常詳細,從數據上比較其他偉大球星,檢視Iverson的職業生涯表現,給予他更公正的評價。
(by sportsmed77)
[+Kareem Elwakil Those other posters shouldn't have insulted you to make their points, but I think your arguments are extremely weak. The only thing you bring up is that AI's career FG% was 42% and that he jacked up "30 shots" to get his points. His FG% was technically 42.5% for his career (Tracy McGrady's was 43% and Kobe Bryant's was 45%, which really isn't that much higher relatively speaking by the way) and a lot of AI's missed shots had to do with the team he was playing on and how their offense was structured, his role on the team as the only scorer, etc. but I won't get into that. AI averaged about 21 shots per game for his career, by the way. Hardly the 30 shots per game you tried to give him credit for. AI led the NBA in scoring 4 times, and out of those for times, only twice did he also lead the league in field goal attempts (and not by much - plus he averaged more free throws than everyone else) so the argument that "if anyone shot as much as AI did, they would score as much too" clearly is not the case. In his prime, Tracy McGrady averaged about 23 shots per game, Kobe Bryant also about 23 shots per game, and AI also about 23 shots per game. AI, Kobe, and Jordan all had a season where they shot the ball 27 times per game. Per 36 minutes, AI only averaged 19 shots per game for his career (keep in mind, AI played more minutes than anyone else each game during his era). Michael Jordan averaged 23 shots per game for his entire career. For his career, Jerry West averaged 20 shots per game and in his prime, it was about 22 shots per game. Before Lebron James got there, Dwayne Wade was averaging between 20 and 22 shots per game for a few seasons because he was the go-to option. You know what all of these players have in common with AI? They were all SHOOTING GUARDS and the go-to option! They were supposed to shoot! Some SGs are volume shooters who slash and get to the free throw line. Some of them have lower FG% but still are productive for their teams. Other SGs have a higher efficiency, but a player's FG% really depends on a number of factors you haven't even taken into consideration.
To reiterate this point, for most of AI's career, he was a SHOOTING GUARD. I hate when people compare him to point guards and then act like he was worse than them because he didn't play like a PG. It is ridiculous because it is like comparing apples with oranges. By the way, you brought up Jason Kidd and how he was so much "better" than AI. Did you know Jason Kidd's career FG% is 40%? He had 10 seasons where he shot below 40% for the season. AI only shot below 40% for 1.5 seasons and his career FG% is higher than J-Kidd's. J-Kidd averaged 12 PPG for his career and only 2.8 free throw attempts. AI averages about 27 PPG for his career. So just as you can say J-Kidd was a way better passer than AI, I can say AI was a way better scorer than J-Kidd. They had different roles and they excelled in their roles. Jason's job was to pass, and AI's job was to create shots.
It is a myth that AI was not a good passer. AI averaged 6.2 assists per game for his career. That is good for a SG - more than Kobe, more than MJ, more than Vince Carter, more than Tracy McGrady, more than Wade, etc. AI had about 5 or 6 seasons where he averaged between 7 and 8 assists per game while still scoring 26+ points. It is impressive. He had an entire season where he averaged 33 PPG and 7.4 APG with 2 steals on 45% shooting and a TS% of over 54%, and people like you try to say he was just "okay at best"? AI had a unique style, especially for his size and was probably one of the top 5 most exciting players to watch. To say he was not "that good" shows that you likely saw very few AI games. I would say AI is a top 20-30 player all-time. Anyone who actually saw, for example, his 2001 play-offs and regular season run, would know that he was amazing and did so much for that team and if someone looks at the stat box, they will not get the actual story. You had to have seen the games with your own eyes. With AI, stats have always been misleading. I also want to point out that AI's True Shooting % (TS%) is slightly higher than Isiah "Zeke" Thomas and is pretty decent (at about 52%). He had a couple of seasons in Denver where his TS% was almost 57%. TS% is a much more accurate depiction of someone's accuracy when shooting. You know why? Because it takes into account free throws among other factors. AI is one of the greatest players of all-time at getting to the free throw line, and unlike Lebron James and many others, he didn't flop to do it. He was legitimately fouled, hurt, and referees even admitted to conspiring against him and purposely not calling fouls on players who fouled him when they should have. Yet AI is still 10th all-time in free throws made. He was a slashing, fearless guard with incredible talent and an ability to create shots for himself that very few other players have been able to do. His style of play is more comparable to Kobe Bryant or Tracy McGrady (Kobe had a better career, but in AI's prime there were seasons where they were almost equally good). Yet he is 160 lbs. soaking wet so he is an anomoly because small players aren't supposed to be able to do what he does. The two years AI's shooting percentage was the lowest in Philly, he had just come off of a serious elbow surgery (2001-2002) and had played with a broken hand another season. You put so much emphasis on his accuracy those seasons, but what about his heart? How many players would play with the injuries he had? I guarantee you not many. Even while in Denver, Carmelo said AI was playing with a broken finger the entire season. In the 2001 play-offs by the end of the 2nd round, AI had 7 injuries (serious elbow bursitis, knee bursitis, dislocated shoulder, sprained thumb, hip pointer, bruised tailbown, and twisted ankle). Yet he played, and he played his heart out contributing to his team in other ways even when he couldn't find his shooting rhythm due to the pain he was in. I watched every game he played in back then (even taped them so I could immitate some of his moves since I played ball). I would know.
I am definitely convinced that anyone who claims Iverson was an "extremely poor shooter" either did not watch him play or knows a lot less about basketball than they think they know. AI was not a poor shooter. He took incredibly difficult shots - often times while double and triple teamed, and given that he was smaller than everyone else, it is incredible that he still made some of them. He was a shot creator. He was immensely creative. Larry Brown even used to sit on the sidelines and call out to AI to shoot the ball more and create shots. Even George Karl in Denver once told AI to shoot the ball more, stop being so UNSELFISH, and take over games the way he used to in Philly. Unfortunately the media doesn't like to talk about that. Not one of AI's teammates thought he was selfish. I have seen very few players who are as loved and respected by his former teammates and former peers as AI. The amount of love he gets from everyone from Dr. J, Maurice Cheeks, Moses Malone, Kobe Bryant, Lebron James, Dwayne Wade, Carmelo Anthony, Aaron McKie, Eric Snow, Theo Ratliff, Dikembe Mutombo, Chris Webber, Kyle Korver, Chris Paul, James Harden, Larry Brown, Paul Pierce, John Thompson, Andre Iguodala, Larry Hughes, Bill Walton, Rip Hamilton, Rasheed Wallace, Shawn Marion, Steve Nash, Dirk Nowitzki, Shaquille O'Neal, etc. etc. etc. I can go on and on. Many of these very players have called AI "pound for pound the greatest." I have seen very few players get so much love and adoration by their peers. I was at AI's jersey retirement and heard what so many players around the league past and present had to say about him and it was just insane. I also have never heard one of AI's former teammates call him a bad teammate. They loved him and loved playing with him. It is the media that tries to paint that picture, but his peers and former teammates paint a completely different picture.
What the media says is a myth. AI's former coaches and teammates and peers adore him. In 2001, AI had the most first place MVP votes in history (tied with Shaq) and became the smallest player to ever win the MVP award. You think he is overrated? I guarantee you the people who vote on MVP, the players, the coaching staff, etc. know far more about AI's contributions to the sport, how good he was, etc. than you do. He deserves what he got. Every accomplishment he achieved, he did it despite immense adversity. He is 7th All-Time in PPG, 4th All-Time in Minutes Played, 7th All-time in Steals, won 1st Team All-NBA multiple times... this man played with so much heart and believed in himself so much that you had to believe in him. This man is up there with MJ, Kobe, Wilt, and players of that caliber for most 40 and 50 point games in his career. I hate when people try to take away from his accomplishments rather than appreciating him for what he accomplished at his size and what he brought to the game. He is the reason I played basketball at all. He gave little people hope. He is a cultural icon. I really wish people would stop with the "AI is overrated" nonsense. If your peers think that highly of you to call you "pound for pound the greatest," then obviously you did something right. ]
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Dikembe Mutombo looked as if he'd been playing with the Philadelphia 76ers for years instead of hours.
Mutombo had 17 points, 13 rebounds and five blocked shots in his debut with Philadelphia as the 76ers beat the Detroit Pistons 99-78 Friday night.
"He changed the whole game with his defense and rebounding," said Philadelphia's Allen Iverson, who had 43 points and 10 rebounds.
Mutombo was traded along with Roshown McLeod from Atlanta to Philadelphia on Thursday for Theo Ratliff, Nazr Mohammed and Pepe Sanchez in the most-significant deal of the NBA season.
After the game, Mutombo looked relieved to be sitting in a folding chair with ice packs surrounding both knees.
He flew from Atlanta to Philadelphia late Thursday night, had a physical at 7 a.m., then arrived in Detroit at about 5 p.m. Friday.
"I need some sleep," Mutombo said. "But really, I'm so excited to be with this group of guys. They're all about winning and we have a great coach."
Philadelphia coach Larry Brown was glad that Mutombo was able to provide a lot of the same things as Ratliff.
"He rebounded and defended like he has his whole career," Brown said. "I thought he was terrific ... I think it's pretty remarkable what he was able to do under those circumstances."
Philadelphia has the best record in the NBA at 42-14. The Sixers extended their winning streak to six games.
Detroit's Jerry Stackhouse scored 22 points. Chucky Atkins had 12 points and Dana Barros added 10. The Pistons made just 37.1 percent of their shots.
Mutombo's status for the game was much more in doubt than the outcome.
The Sixers jumped out to a 16-4 lead and cruised to the win. Philadelphia led by nine points after one quarter, 12 at halftime and 17 after three quarters.
Philadelphia did not know whether Mutombo would be cleared to play until an hour before the game.
Minutes after Philadelphia Brown was informed that Mutombo was able to play, Mutombo walked into Philadelphia's locker room.
When Brown told Mutombo that he could play, the nine-year veteran asked "What do you want me to do?"
Brown left the decision whether or not to play up to Mutombo. He nodded his head to indicate that he wanted to play, and then turned to look for a uniform and basketball shoes to replace his brown suit and dress shoes.
On defense, Mutombo, the three-time defensive player of the year, hung around the lane to block and alter shots.
He ignited Philadelphia's fastbreak with 10 defensive rebounds and crisp outlet passes. There were times that Iverson was so far down the court that Mutombo didn't make it to halfcourt.
On offense, he set space-creating screens with his 7-foot-2, 265-pound frame. When Mutombo got the ball, his sky hooks and deliberate low-post moves gave the Sixers an option on the interior.
Mutombo started and played 36 minutes. He made 7-of-12 shots and 3-of-4 free throws.
"There is not much difference between the Sixers with Theo Ratliff and with Mutombo," said Detroit's Ben Wallace, who had 17 rebounds. "They both clog the middle and block a lot of shots. Theo is a little more athletic and Mutombo is a little bigger."
The game also marked the debut of Detroit's Corliss Williamson, who scored six points and grabbed four rebounds.
Williamson was traded by Toronto along with Kornell David, Tyrone Corbin and a conditional first-round pick to Detroit for Jerome Williams and Eric Montross. Detroit released Corbin and put David on the injured list.
"It was unfair to play him, but once Ben (Wallace) got those two quick fouls, I didn't have much choice," Detroit's George Irvine said. "It's been a whirlwind for him, but he'll be fine. He did a nice job out there."
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Allen Iverson had every reason to feel good after his performance kept Philadelphia close to the division lead.
Surely the mood changed when the Sixers All-Star found out he was injured.
Iverson outperformed Kobe Bryant, scoring 36 points and leading a decisive third-quarter run in the 76ers' 108-91 win over the Los Angeles Lakers on Tuesday night.
Iverson helped pull the Sixers (31-33) to four games of Boston for first place in the Atlantic Division.
"It made me feel good," Iverson said. "Any win makes me feel good."
Iverson, though, chipped a bone in his left thumb sometime in the second half and will be fitted for a cast. He is day-to-day. The Sixers said Iverson will be re-evaluated Friday when they play again at Cleveland.
Iverson left the arena before the injury was announced.
The Sixers certainly need the league's leading scorer if they're going to make any kind of run at the Celtics.
"We would like to have that (winning) streak right now," said Iverson, before he knew the X-ray results.
Andre Iguodala scored 15 points for the Sixers, adding a few more spectacular dunks, including an alley-oop where he came crashing down on Jumaine Jones. Kyle Korver had 14.
Bryant -- who came in trailing Iverson by nearly two points in the league scoring race -- led the Lakers with 20 points, but had little help. The Lakers (32-31) fell out of the eighth and final spot in the Western Conference.
Bryant made five of nine shots in the first quarter, but went 1-for-6 the rest of the game.
"We've got to get more people involved," Bryant said. "They were doubling me and the shots weren't falling."
Iguodala had plenty to do with that. The Sixers rookie kept a hand in Bryant's face most of the game and aggressively contested his shots. Iguodala said he watched plenty of tape to prepare for one of his toughest assignments.
"I knew if I kept my hands up and kept nagging him a little bit that I could make him take a tougher shot," Iguodala said.
Bryant scored 16 points in the first quarter and Iverson had 14 as the two seemed poised for a one-on-one showdown between All-Stars. But Bryant slowed down, thanks largely to the sticky defense by Iguodala, while Iverson kept driving and crashing.
Iverson scored 14 points during a 26-9 run in the third quarter by doing what he does best -- drive the lane, look for the layup and get to the line. When he couldn't do that, Iverson would dribble around the perimeter until he found an open look.
He took six of Philadelphia's 16 shots in the third (making three) and went 7-for-7 from the line. Overall, Iverson went 14-for-15 from the line and 10-for-22 from the floor.
On one fallaway layup from the right side, Iverson was fouled by Chucky Atkins. Atkins bitterly complained and was hit with two quick technicals and ejected from the game.
Korver sank the two free throws for a 66-50 lead. Rodney Rogers hit a 3-pointer near the end of the third, giving Philadelphia a 28-point lead.
Chris Webber again was a non-factor for the Sixers. He scored Philly's first two baskets of the game, sat out 5 minutes of the second quarter and missed his last six shots for five points.
Webber remained baffled as to why he has looked little like the five-time All-Star he was in Sacramento. Of course, watching Iverson take a bulk of the shots and not having coach Jim O'Brien call plays for Webber might have something do with his struggles.
"I don't want to put my finger on it," Webber said. "It's not because it's late in the season. I didn't become this player in one day."
Game notes
Bryant, who went to nearby Lower Merion High School, needed about 30 tickets. Among those invited were players on this year's Merion team and his former coach, Gregg Downer. Lower Merion plays in the Class AAAA state semifinals Wednesday night. Bryant said he loved playing in Philadelphia, even though he's always booed. "If I played here, they'd love it with the Philly attitude I have," he said. "But I enjoy coming here because of that." ... The Sixers are 17-10 when Iverson scores 30 or more points
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Allen Iverson refused to let the Philadelphia 76ers' season end.
Iverson scored 13 of his 42 points in the fourth quarter as the defending Eastern Conference champions avoided elimination with a tense 108-103 victory over the Boston Celtics in Game 3 of their first-round series.
The Sixers avoided a best-of-five series sweep for the first time since 1991 against Milwaukee. They host Game 4 on Wednesday.
Responding in pressure situations is nothing new for Iverson.
"That's my life," Iverson said. "That's just what I've been going through since I've been in the league, so I'm kind of used to it. When we lose, people are going to point the finger at me and coach. And when we win gaems, I get the praise. You just accept that and understand that's the way it's going to be."
It was the eighth time Iverson scored at least 40 points in a playoff game. The Sixers are 7-1 in those contests.
"We have another chance to play and we have to put pressure on them, where they feel it," Sixers coach Larry Brown said. "It doesn't look to me like they're feeling it. They're playing with a lot of poise and have a lot to be proud of."
Philadelphia also got a big game from Eric Snow, who scored 23 points. After going a combined 4-of-25 in the first two games of the series, he made 9-of-14 shots in Game 3 and scored six straight points for the Sixers during one stretch in the fourth quarter.
"There was no pressure on them at all," Snow said. "All of the pressure was on us. Fortunately, we were able to pull this game out and now we have to take care of our home and win on Wednesday and even the series."
The Celtics, looking to move into the second round for the first time since 1992, were in position to close out the Sixers, taking a 103-100 lead on Rodney Rogers' 3-pointer with 1:32 remaining. But the Sixers scored the final eight points.
"It's a game we should have had," Boston forward Paul Pierce said. "We're up three with under three minutes to go. We gave ourselves a chance to win after being down in the first half. It's definitely one we should have had."
All season, the Celtics lived by the 3-pointer. On this day, however, they died by it.
Derrick Coleman, who played a strong game with 18 points and nine rebounds, followed Aaron McKie's miss to give Philadelphia a 104-103 lead with 45 seconds left.
Pierce scored 29 points for the Celtics, but missed a 3-pointer from the top of the key on the ensuing possession. Boston was forced to foul, and Iverson hit two more from the line, making it 106-103 with 19 seconds to play.
"I felt that everybody would come out and play the game like it was their last," Iverson said. "But we didn't have a choice. If you can't get up for a game like this, there's something wrong. You're not a basketball player, you're not a competitor."
Rogers and Pierce missed 3-pointers on Boston's last possession, and Coleman clinched the win with two from the line with 1.1 seconds to go.
"It's now Game 4," Pierce said. "We expected a war. We didn't expect Philly to bow down to us in Game 3. We expect another war for the next game."
Antoine Walker scored 27 points for Boston but was shut out from 3-point range in the second half after making all seven of his attempts from behind the arc in the opening 24 minutes. He finished 7-of-13 from downtown.
"We feel like we're still very confident we can beat them here," Walker said. "Obviously, they're going to feel really good and come out with a lot of energy on Wednesday. We have to be prepared and ready to match their energy again."
While the Sixers never have rallied to win a best-of-five series after losing the first two games, they have renewed hopes since Iverson seems to have shaken off the rust after missing the final 14 games of the regular season with a broken hand.
The NBA scoring champion rebounded from a shaky outing in Game 2, when he made just 10-of-29 shots. He took over Sunday's contest down the stretch, scoring 11 of the Sixers' final 15 points, and was deadly from the line, making 19-of-20 free throws.
"We had big games from a lot of people," Iverson said. "To beat a team like that, you're going to have to have a lot of guys contribute."
Overall, Philadelphia was 36-of-44 from the line, compared to just 16-of-18 for Boston, which ran most of its offense from the perimeter. The Sixers shot 45 percent (33-of-74).
"We didn't get the calls," Boston guard Kenny Anderson said. "We can't cry about it, but we didn't get the calls."
Spurred on by a fired-up crowd at the First Union Center, the Sixers opened an 11-point lead in the first quarter. Boston withstood Philadelphia's early burst and Walker's shooting helped it close to 58-52 at intermission.
The Celtics tried to bury the Sixers with a long-range assault, making 15 of 30 3-pointers, a playoff record for a Philadelphia opponent.
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