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#28. Crucial Ballistix DDR4-3600 CL16 16GB RAM Kit Review

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#29. Crucial Ballistix Gaming 32 GB DDR4 3600 MHz - Glob3trotters

As you can tell, the heatsink is a low profile one and according to my measurements, it's under 36 mm in height (vs G.Skill's Trident Z at 44 mm) which is ...

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#35. Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory DDR4-3600 32GB review

The Crucial Ballistix Gaming Memory DDR4-3600 32GB is an excellent match for any modern computer. It offers excellent speeds, timings, and ...

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#37. Crucial Ballistix 32GB DDR4-3600 CL16 Memory Kit Review

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#38. Оперативная Память Crucial Ballistix 16Gb

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